hahaa see good things all around again

will you be performing with a hello kitty i wonder hahaahha

it would be funny to really go metal with it

hugs
Gwen

Ha Ha Yeah Hello Kittie Warbride stylie

Hey… “HELL-CAT ?!”

and it has to be in pink ofcourse hahahahahhaha

hugs
Gwen

Dear Lori;
The song is really cool…Do you that the prayer on the begining is in portuguese? with accent from Portugal.

And roar it does!

Good sound… that pinky Hello Kity Strat !
Nice song too.

wooo it’s rock! I saw this guitar in a guitar shop in Lyon (france) it’s funny!

Haha. It’s funny to know that actually a man is playing with the kitty-pinkie guitar.

I was actually thinking about buying one and putting a True Temperament neck on it! Anyone who has seen the TT necks will understand… (if not, check them out here: http://www.truetemperament.com). I however had a bit of a problem imagining myself on stage playing metal with a pink guitar… Galm or sleeze, yepp definitely!

o come on janne, it would be a hood hahahahahhaha

hugs
Gwen

I don’t believe in those True Temperament necks. Again, I would like to point out the fact that Bach has spent a considerable amount of his life working out a “Well Tempered” tuning. There is no such things as TRUE TEMPERAMENT on a guitar. True temperament involves the cold hard fact that A# is not the same as Bb. There’s a very very slight difference between those two. This fact is also reflected in scales: if you play C minor ascending or descending, the notation changes because the sharps become flats when playing descending. This is only because the flats are more true to the exact intonation when playing descending scales.

Piano’s are indeed tuned string by string, but they are not correctly tuned! If you analyse the tuning of a piano, you’ll find that near to none of the strings is actually in perfect tune. Having any instrument in perfect tune will only make your instrument sound badly tuned since Western music hasn’t used perfect tuning in … centuries.

Also note that the tuning of a piano is a vary precarious thing to do and that a lot of pianists will actually have the piano “detuned” in certain areas to their own personal liking.

Quote:
“If you play a lot of “jazz” chords, in key signatures which brass players tend to favour, Die Wohltemperirte Gitarre is an excellent choice. Major keys in “Wohl” which sound closer to the natural tone row are: F, G, Bb, C, D. Minor keys which sound closer to the natural tone row are: E, F#, Ab, A, B, D.”

This is not exactly correct. Brass are tuned in a different way. If I’m not mistaken, any concert with a lot of brass in it requires all string instruments to be tuned to 441 instead of 440. This has nothing to do with “Das Wohltemperierte Klavier ” by Bach.

I also honestly don’t see how Das Wohltemperierte Klavier has been lost to the world? Most of the works of Beethoven and Mozart are based on Das Wohltemperierte Klavier by Bach. In fact, Bach revolutionised the entire world by inventing “Wohltemperiert” tuning.

What they are actually using is a self-invented tempering which has little to do with Bachs’ t(a/e)mpering

It’s also a pity that there aren’t any soundclips with a certain guitar player playing a, say, harmonic minor piece on one instrument then playing the same piece on a TT neck.

I’m not saying it doesn’t work - I’m sure it has to work to some extent, but from what I read on their website, I don’t want to buy a certain neck for Jazz and another neck for blues or metal. That’s the whole point of “Welltempered” …

Also, it has been common knowledge that the curls in Bach’s writing were related to the way he tempered the scales. The discussion is not how it’s tempered, but how Bach came to his tempering since there’s no mathematical nor scientific logic to his tempering. Not just the curls above his opening page have been related to his tempering, but also the curls in his signature have been related to this tempering.

(And they only have 22 fret necks …)

Quote: “Unhappy with the dissonances and beating inherent in the standard 12-tone Equal Tempered tuning, Anders began investigating alternative temperaments. He soon started experimenting with adding extra frets, and shifting the positions of others, in an effort to improve the sound and tuning of his guitar.”

He’s just repeating the whole process that Bach has been through trying to find the right intonation for all keys to be played on a single instrument - including additional frets etc.

If anyone has a TT neck, I’d very much like to hear what it actually sounds like. Especially because I know some people who have (near) perfect pitch and can tell which instrument is not in tune in a 30-piece orchestra … So I’d really like to hear the difference.

Also: sorry about the strong wording, here and there. I didn’t mean to shout or anything. Just meant it as a point of discussion - not wishing to hurt anyone’s feelings.

I dunno Kristof… Janne knows his stuff, and if he recommends the TT neck, I take his word for it.

The only problem I can think of is how to prevent yourself going cross-eyed whilst looking at the frets!

Jesus Christ ! - What ?!

Only kidding of course !

Okay, p’haps a little off topic here, but then again… No, not really !

Regarding tuning… Some of you might be interested, in this:

http://www.tronical.com/

And please, DO watch the Downloads / Vid’s etc-etc…
Amazing, or what ?

Although this isn’t “for me !” - I really wonder…
Could this be “the future” - (Y’know ?!)

(If you’ve NOT heard of this, it IS worth checking out!)

That’s it ! (Oh yeah - “Hiya Janne !”)

Love y’ Lori !

I don’t know how long this product has been on the market. I know of a blind person in the late nineties that had a similar system on his guitar.

Steve Vai and Gilmour got one their guitar, but they don’t always work on it.

Vai uses a Buzz Feiten board, not a TT.

Hi Zep…

The “Tronical” or the “TT” ?!

Steve Vai doesn’t use the Buzz Feiten Tuning System anymore.

See here - http://vai.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=143826&#143826

Thanks, guitarphile!

Im going to have to agree with Kristof on the TT neck.
Remembering that about 99% of the trouble with Temperament is action on a guitar, and how far the frets sit above the wood. Bad news for people who like ultra high actions and jumbo frets!

Although the true temperament necks have accounted for if strings are wound, or unwound, and other such things, such as how much more pressure is on the string the further up the fret board, they have not taken into account 1. Diffrent people use diffrent guages of strings, which will drastically change temperament on their guitars and 2. People also enjoy diffrent action heights, which unfortunatly, a TT is more likly to accentuate the problem if someone adjusts their action, not so much fix it.

Also, another point that comes to mind, is that, if at any point you play single notes, vibrato, have any effects in your chain, use slurs, or bends in any general sence of the word, then temperament really dosnt matter, as you are altering the pitch, or harmonic tone of the note anyway.

My advice to anyone looking for exact and true temperament, is not to look into curved, wavy, weird shaped frets, but to simply get rid of them altogether. Fretless instruments don’t have any problem with intonation, temperament, or any of those other nasty things we have to deal with.
Alternativly if you dont wanna play fretless, simply continue to adjust your action, and intonation untill it is correct, usually the lower the action the closer the temperment, as most fret calculations dont take into acount fret height, or string distance from fret board. (although PRS guitars actually have their frets placed in accordance to their bridge height, and this is usually done by CNC machines, so each guitar is exactly the same. Hence why if you pick up two diffrent PRS’s, they should have pretty much the same action and feel, and very close to prefect pitch all the way up the fretboard).

Also, on the piano thing, the middle C is always tunned perfectly, and everything else is tempered from that, or tuned from that note. This often results in the lowest C being between 12-25 cents lower in pitch than perfect tune, and the highest C being 12-25 cents higher than perfect tune.

So I hope this has helped anyone who was thinking about purchasing a TT neck. Also bare in mind that no recordings of guitar, on basically any album, or record, will have been recorded with a TT. So using a TT to play those songs will actually result in playing them out of tune, even if only slighly.

=). Just my friendly 2 cents!

HELP ! ! !

Well, Kristof, just let me say one thing - Don’t knock it ’till you’ve tried it. I don’t know how you can just blurt out that it doesn’t work if you haven’t tried it. Slight prejudice huh?

It does work. You’re welcome to try mine whenever you’re in the neightbourhood.

Further more - Steve Vai har ordered one. Nuff said.

Of course it should be “Steve Vai has ordered one”. So has Jennifer Batten. Doug Aldrich tried mine and was blown away. I received one of the first ones in December 2006.

JoeJoe: “Also bare in mind that no recordings of guitar, on basically any album, or record, will have been recorded with a TT. So using a TT to play those songs will actually result in playing them out of tune, even if only slighly.”

Erhh… Nooo, it will not result in playing out of tune. I mean we are talking micro-differences here. I used the guitar when playing in the Sweden Rock All Star Band with Ryan Roxie and Oscar Dronjac, who both have “regular” necks. There was no sense of “out of tune” whatsoever. My guitar only sounded better in tune internally. Meaning you could strike a G, D and E and the chords ALL sounded in perfect tuning, which is impossible with a “normal” neck, and even with Buzz Feiten.

I have recorded the forthcoming TEENAGE RAMPAGE- and OVERDRIVE albums with my TT. You can even hear a sample on http://www.myspace.com/trofficial

Furthermore it feels NO different than playing with a normal neck, bending is exactly the same etc etc.

Sorry if also I sounded a bit aggressive here, but I just have a slight problem with strong opinions from people who haven’t even tried it themselves.
I personally feel it’s better to have an open mind and a closed mouth (or at least a more humble attitude) until you have first hand experience yourself.

FIGHT ! ! !

Janne, no problem. I’m only trying to understand the system, rather than refusing to accept … I know that equal tempering isn’t ideal …

Steve Vai and Jennifer are both Ibanez players

Also: there is still no-one that I’ve talked to that actually has a sound file that will convince me otherwise. Not even on the website of TT. Now, if the difference was that noteable, wouldn’t you have TelSell-like “before and after” ?

Also, if there is no “out of tune”, how can one be tuned better? Believe you me, if you have violin in a concerto that is 1Hz off, you’ll notice that something is out of tune…

To me, it’s an audible issue (har har) so only a high-quality sound file can convince me … There is no need for a hands-on experience to convince me …

Well, I don’t know if you have recorded in a studion (not offense, as I don’t know your background), but then you’d see the tricks you sometimes have to pull to get a ballad, chord driven song etc. to sound prefectly in pitch, especially when there’s a “naked” guitar. Take an open C, G, E and a D on your regular guitar. Do all those chords sound perfectly in tune? They don’t even with the Buzz Feiten system and a prefectly intonated guitar. Then move up to the 12-14 fret and take the same chords. Sound perfectly in tune? Didn’t think so. THAT’s what the TT neck does to your guitar/sound. I’ll take the time (as soon as I have it) and record some things with one intonated normal and one TT-neck guitar so you can hear the difference. I’ll give the guys a tip to put this up their site, too.

Thanks, Janne, that would be great!

*runs away with tail between legs*

Hehe

I don’t think anyone on this forum ever means offence, or intends to sound aggresive. I mean, everyone seems to be nice and friendly =).

I was simply voicing my opinion (which everyone has and is entitled to) on TT necks. =) no hard feelings yes?

I actually notice little diffrence on my guitar in the tunning issues, even moving the chords up the octave. I did however notice it more so on my older guitars. I think most guitar companies who are trying to achieve great quility do aim to try and bring the diffrence in tunning issues down as much as possible.

I think that is why there is such a jump in price from your mid range guitars, to your higher end guitars.

Unfortunatly for me, I could not try, or use a TT neck, mostly because I am dedicated set neck, and neck thru user myself. But I am very curious to hear your sound clips.